- 33 (1st son) Eustace II m. Ida d'ARDENNES
- 33 (2nd son) Lambert de Lens 1022-54 32yo m1 ? m2 Adelaide (Adeliza) PoN d1087 (sis of WmConq)
- w/1st wife
- 32 bros Seier and Walter de Lens b1040s
- 31 (son of Seier) Walter (Dougall [du Gaul] 'the Black Stranger' 'lord of Setoun' (de SETON, de Flanders, de LENS, coa) in Normandy 1066-1124 58yo b. Normandy d. Scotland fl in reign of KoS Alexander I r1107-24, last Count and 1st Wodhull or Odell m. Jonet de QUINCY (coa ...)
cf note at geni and below, saying Seton family sprang from 2nd son of House of Boulogne, known in homeland as Seier and Walter de LENS, sons of Count Eustace I's 2nd son Count Lambert de Lens, whose dau by a 2nd m. (to sis of WmConq) was Countess Judith, mom of Scotland's Q Maud
Seier de Lens nicknamed Dougall (The Black Stranger) de Seton: This profile's ancestry is very unclear ... The Early Seton Family information below is not born out by Medlands or supported by reliable sources. Until reliable sources are discovered this profile has been removed from the multiple and questionable parents [Terry Jackson Curator].
The Norman knights (i.e. Anglo-Flemings) wore a strong coat of chain mail, which made them objects of dread and wonder to the Britons, Saxons, Picts and Celts in whose ancient songs they were called Du-gall, the 'Black Strangers', from the appearance they made when encased in armor. This name also came from the French 'du Gall', and referred to the Galois origins where France was once called Gaul. Dougall de Setoun, then, literally means 'the Black Stranger' (and French lord) of the town and lands of Setoun, and he flourished in the reign of KoS Alexander I AD 1107-1124.
The Early Seton Family
As their own distinctive crescents show, Seier de Seton (I) and his brother Walter sprang from a second son of the house of Boulogne. Known in their Flemish homeland as Seier and Walter de LENS [Lens a town in N France, cf AWU map], they were sons of Count Eustace I ’s second son, Count Lambert de Lens, whose daughter by a second marriage (to the sister of William the Conqueror) was the Countess Judith, mother of Scotland’s Queen Maud.
Count Lambert died when the boys were too young to administer to the important estate of Lens, and thus they followed the Flemish military contingent into England with their half-sister's husband, Duke William [the Conqueror] of Normandy, in his quest for the English crown and settled there in the north following William's success. Count Lambert himself was the second son of his father, Eustace I of Boulogne, and brother of Eustace II, and they were lineally descended in both Eustace I’s mother and father from King Charles I, Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emperor and the first of the Carolingian Empire.
Seier’s eldest son, Walter de Lens, or Walter the Fleming as he is described in Domesday, had his chief English home at Wahull (now called Odell) in Bedfordshire. On the Firth of Forth, as heir there of his father, Seier, he was called Dougall or "the dark stranger", a nickname which was also given to his own son Walter, and duly recorded by the family’s chronicler, Sir Richard Maitland of Lethington, in 1554.
The son of the 1st Seier de Seton, of de Lens, is known as Dougall de Setoun and his Christian name was Walter, however he was usually described by a familiar appellation in the language of the Scots people around him. He was baron of the town and lands of Setoun and married Janet, daughter of Robert de Quincy (and not of Roger, who lived a century later) and had a son also called Seier (2nd) who is often confused with his grandfather.
His wife’s father, Robert de Quincy had married Maud de St. Liz, daughter of Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Huntington and Northhampton and Maud, or Matilda, the elder of the two daughters of Waltheof, Earl of Northumberland and Judith de Lens, the niece to King William I of England. To appreciate these ties, note that William married Matilda of Flanders, a cousin of Dougall. Likewise, Dougall’s grandfather married as his 2nd wife Adele, or Adelaide, of Normandy, William's sister; it made the Setoun’s cousins of the English King and his sons, William II and Henry I. Henry I married the daughter of Malcolm III, King of the Scots; and 2nd, Adela of Bas-Lorraine, a cousin of Count Lambert Lens, Dougall’s grandfather. Malcom III’s youngest son, later King David I, married Matilda the 2nd daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumberland. Domesday hints towards the identity of Count Lambert’s sons: In that book are just their Christian names; Walter and Seier, and it is obvious from the wording that Seier is absent. Walter, 'brother of Seier', was still holding lands in 1086 but Seier’s possessions had been passed to his elder son Walter (or Dougall), described in the documents as 'Walter Flandrensis' i.e. Walter of Flanders, or the Fleming. He and his brother Hugh are given as tenants-in-chief of the vast string of Midlands manors, and the estates in Scotland, Seier had been granted lands by the Scottish king, Malcolm Canmore [cf Malc3.html].
- 30 Walter de Wahull I c1085-1147 b/d Bedfordsh m. Roesia ?
- 29 Baron Simon de Wahull 1110-49 b. Bedfordsh d. Northamptonsh m. Sibyl d'Anjou (dau of ?)
- 28 Walter de Wahull II 1130-74 b. Odell d. Wahull m. Rosesia ?
- 27 Walter de Wahull III c1169-1209 m. Albreda ?
- 26 Baron Saher Woodhull 1193-1250 b. Wahull d. Odell m. Alice ?
- 25 Walter de Wahull (Woodhull) IV 1227-69 m. Helewyse de Vivonne
- 24 Sir John de W, B of Wahull c1249-96 m. Agnes PINCKENEY
- 23 Baron Th de Wahull 1273-1304 1st B of Wahull m. Hawise dau of Henry PRAERS
- 22 Baron John de Wahull 1302-37 b/d Wahull Manor, Bedfordsh m. Lady Isabel ?
- 21 Sir John Wodhull 1318-47 m. Eleanora ?
- 20 Sir Nicholas de Wahull, Sheriff of Bedfordsh c1337-1410 b/d Odell, Pateshull, Bedfordsh m. Margaret L FOXCOTE
- 19 Th Woodhull 1387-1420 d. Battle of Bauge in France m. Eliz CHETWODE
- 18 Walter Dewahull O'Dell 1405-25 20yo (perhaps d. fighting in France?) m. Eliz ? (hmmm, geni line shows Th W's dad as 18 Th Wahull 1410-41 m. Isabel TRUSSELL (dau of MP)
- 17 ODELL of Cranfield (in Bedfordshire, England aka Cranfield O'Dell) 1436-63 27yo (perhaps of injuries in WoR e.g. Towton 3-29-1461) m. Esther (OK, same as geni line's 17 Th Wodhull 1437-63 (or Th DeWahull O b1425 Cranfield, son of Walter Wahull O, son of ?) m. Esther ?
- 16 Thomas ODELL 1463-1534 71yo m. Joan ? (grew up in WoR, OK, agrees w/geni line 16 Th DeWahull O 146x-1534 b/d Cranfield, Bedfordsh m. Joan ?
- 15 John ODELL 1490-1551 m. ? (contemporary of KoE Henry VIII, hmmm, geni.com line shows dad of 14 Richard O II is 15 Richard Thomas O I 1490-1518 28yo b/d Bedfordsh m. Nola Marie ?
- 14 Thomas ODELL b1517 (Reformation begins) m. ? (hmmm, geni.com line shows dad of 13 Richard O III is 14 Richard O II 1518-90 72yo m. Agnes RODGERS ?)
- 13 Richard O'DELL III 1540-1611 71yo b/d Salford (red cross on wht b/g) m. Elizabeth PIERCE (red/wht cross)
- 12 Alice b1566
- 12 Henry b1568
- 12 Eliz b1569
- 12 John O'DELL II 1573-1656 [geni: b1574] b. Newport, Pagnelle, Buckinghamshire, England d. Salford, Bedfordshire, England (same pic of field) m. Joan BINGLEY (coa ...)
- 11 ... 13 other kids (besides Wm and Mary) cf geni.com ...
- 11 William S O'DELL Sr 1602-76 74yo (pic of mansion) m. Rebecca FRANKLIN (hmmm, Wm has 14 sibs incl Mary 1605-<59 b. Salford, Bedfordsh, England d. Fairfield, CT m1 Joseph MIDDLEBROOK of Fairfield m2 Capt Benj TURNEY)
- another geni.com line (that yielded line much further back)
- 10 Wm Woodhull O'Dell II 1630-c99 (pic of field) m. Sarah VOWELS
- 9 John O 1665-1735 m. Hannah (dau of Michel Bastien Michaels)
- 8 John O Jr c1690-1738 m. Hannah VERMILYE
- 7 Jonathan O 1730-1818 m. Margaret DYCKMAN
- 6 Aeltje (Aletta) O 1770-6
- another geni.com line (that yielded line much further back)
- 11 Mary ODELL 1605-<59 ~54yo b. Salford d. Fairfield, CT m1 Joseph MIDDLEBROOK of Fairfield m2 Capt Benjamin TURNEY 1605-48
- w/Capt Ben
- 10 Mary T 1631-73 42yo m. Lt. Nathaniel SEELEY
- 9 John S 1661-1710 49yo m. Rebecca SANFORD
- 8 Martha S 1706-87 81yo m. Samuel CASTLE
- 7 David C 1725-1823 98yo m. Phebe SANFORD
- 6 Phebe C 1766-1842 76yo m. John C STEWART
- 5 Lucinda S 1808-42 34yo m. Jacob KAYNER
- 4 Mariett K 1830-1928 98yo m. Henry Allen RACE
- 3 Carrie R m. JDS
- 2 CBS m. Mabel
- 1 JCS m. Rosena
- w/Capt Ben
- 11 ... 13 other kids (besides Wm and Mary) cf geni.com ...
- 12 child b1576 DY
- 12 Richard 'of Newport' O'Dell c1581->1636 (Pat A line geni entry says son of ?, but likely same as [son of Rich/Eliz] geni c1576-1615 b. Pagnell, Buckinghamsh, England d. 6/22 Wharley, Cranfield, Bedfordsh) m. Martha NICHOLS
- 11 Wm O'Dell c1602-c76 b. England d. Fairfield, CT m. Rebecca BROWN
- 10 John ODELL 1643-1707 b/d Fairfield, CT m. Mary ?
- 9 John O 1666-1743 b/d Fairfield, CT grave pic m. Sarah WHEELER
- 8 Wm O 1697-1772 b/d CT m. Abigail SMITH
- 7 Capt Nehemiah Smith O 1733-c72 m. ? (of US Rev War, mentioned on PBS Roots show)
- 6 Capt Wm O b1758 m. Sally TURNEY (")
- 5 #6 dad of Anna KEAR (m. Peter K -> Pat), Neh Smith O, Jerusha CANFIELD and Wm O
- 4 6 Jonathan KEAR 1799-1876 m. Caroline PORTERFIELD (kids Jonathan, Byron, Susan, Agnes)
- 3 Byron KEAR 1832-1900 m. Eliza Jane CLARK
- 2 Emma E KEAR 1858-c1926 m. Chas Cicero CLARK
ancestors of Chas Augustus ARQUETTE: 6 Jean ARCOUET dit Lajeunesse b1646 France m. Elis PEPIN b1659 5 Pierre ARCOUET b1692 Canada m. Angelique CHAILLE b1707 Quebec 4 Alexis R ARCOUET b1736 Batiscan, Quebec m. Marguerite LaFOREST b1753 Quebec 3 Peter ARCOUETTE b1790 Sandwich, ON m. Marie Anne Valade VILIQUETTE b1809 Monroe Co, MI 2 Chas Augustus A b1838 Sandusky, OH m. Philomina Josephine FRITSCHE b1848 Switz
- 1 Winifred Ethel CLARK b1878 KS (dau of Chas Cicero C m. Emma E KEAN, gdau of Civil War '100 day man' Byron KEAR b1813 [31yo in 1844 when enlisted]) m. Chas Augustus ARQUETTE cf below
- 0 Clifford Chas A 1905-74 Toledo, OH (aka 'Charlie WEAVER' comedian and Civil War buff, fndr of Philly? museum, which sadly closed recently) m. Mildred Nesbitt LeMAY b1914 TX (related to Gen Curtis L of WWII?)
- -1 Lewis Michael A 1935-2001 Chicago actor [J D Pickett char on Waltons] m. Brenda NOWACK b1939 NYC (dau of Yussiff 'Joseph' N b1908 Kiev m. ?)
- -2 Patricia A b1968 Chicago actress (PBS Finding Your Roots w/Henry Louis GATES Season 3, YT clips)
- 11 Wm O'Dell c1602-c76 b. England d. Fairfield, CT m. Rebecca BROWN
- 12 Alice b1566
- w/2nd wife Adeliza
- 32 Judith de Lens 1054-c76 m. Waltheof II E of Huntington 1046-76 (Judith mom of QoS Maud)
- 31 (son of Seier) Walter (Dougall [du Gaul] 'the Black Stranger' 'lord of Setoun' (de SETON, de Flanders, de LENS, coa) in Normandy 1066-1124 58yo b. Normandy d. Scotland fl in reign of KoS Alexander I r1107-24, last Count and 1st Wodhull or Odell m. Jonet de QUINCY (coa ...)
- w/1st wife
So 1 JCS and -2 Patricia A are 11th cousins 3x removed (common anc. 13).
Rats, couldn't get to full show, which showed how Pat A descends from Wm ODELL b1770 and his dad Capt Nehemiah Smith O who fought in Rev War ... cf geni.com Aeltje (Aletta) ODELL 1770-6 ancestors which also tie into my line, incl. pics, homes ...
OK, wikitree.com has Patricia's line back to Richard O b. c1581 d. >1636 (www.wikitree.com/wiki/O'Dell-1844, cf above):
OK, on the 9 Feb 2016 episode of PBS' 'Finding Your Roots', host Henry Louis Gates interviewed actress Patricia ARQUETTE, among others. Her Dad played Plunkett on the Waltons. She also has a line back to the O'Dell family i.e. Wm b1758, son of Nehemiah b1733 CT. I wonder if those American O'Dells are related to mine above? (I saw it again Dec 2018)
In the Grn BROKAW bk p27 there's a list of ODELLs, named by Jemima BRAGAW (264-8 p26-7) 179x-1848 and unmarried. She bequeathed everything to sisters Jane and Ellen, nephew Chas STRANG ... and 9 ODELLs i.e. kids of a niece of Jemima's named Susan Eliz m. James ODELL, deceased. These 9 lived in NYC, Malta, IL, Danby, IL, NJ, Poughkeepsie, NY. Connected to above?
